Talk:Glyphs code

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Update w/ Deciphered Code

I updated the glyphs but I don't have CHILD for The Same Old Story but BRELD (will have to check again). For The Ghost Network I have the 4 letters AEGR, which according to one internet site actually stands for Army Embedded Global Positioning System Receiver (?) and is therefore consistent with the episode.--LabgoTalk|Contribs 06:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Are there any thoughts on what the heck "BRELD" could mean? I'm leaning towards another error, like SURGG. Maybe it was intended as "BREED"? That would be vaguely in keeping with the episode.Elakazal 05:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

  • One theory I had is that the glyphs can be assigned to letters in both directions (A to Z and Z to A), actually giving a choice of two letters for each glyph. Interestingly, this allows you to change the two first letters in BRELD, BR for YI, giving the word YIELD, which is not inconsistent with this episode where rapid growth is brought about by an increase in the yield of specific biochemical reactions. But what I would like to hear is how people were able to get CHILD from these glyphs. --LabgoTalk|Contribs 13:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
    • It may also be a way to show random mutation in the code, the same as would happen in the genetic code. This would be consistent with the spirit of the show. So from time to time a letter would be changed for another randomly or would disappear completely. --LabgoTalk|Contribs 13:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Same Old Story Glyphs

I changed again CHILD to BRELD. It does not make sense but these are the glyphs that were shown in this episode. I have the recording here and I double checked 3 times. Does anyone have a different version with the glyphs showing CHILD? I also have only 4 glyphs showing on my recording for the next episode: AEGR. Does anyone actually have the 5 glyphs showing (may be there was a problem with my reception at that point?) --LabgoTalk|Contribs 03:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Doesn't Hulu or the full episodes on fox.com show the glyphs? I can't verify that because I am in Canada, but I were in the United States, I would check there. --Moo 21:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- No, I checked it is BRELD. It doesn't have to make sense. None of them do because none are in context. BRELD can be a mnemonic like the ones Walter has been spewing out lately, or an acronym. AEGR too, obviously. Maybe they related to the Lab Notes for that show. Or you have to put them in chrono order, aligned with the Project#/Exploration#, to form a sentence. Maybe, you take all the ones that don't APPARENTLY spell a word, then make an anagram with them. It is too early in the series to say CANNOT be BRELD - there is no context for any of it. –DocH– my edits 22:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC) (Lock the page once it says BRELD)
- Thank you DocH. I fully agree with you.--LabgoTalk|Contribs 22:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Missing Glyphs

I mentioned a few weeks ago, that recently they showed a hand in a vertical position (not angled). –DocH– my edits

  • Yes I recall this. There is also the question of yellow dots which may not appear in the same place around the glyph. Personally I don't think that these differences are significant as far as the code goes but I may be totally wrong. I still favour the 10 glyphs being matched to numbers 0-9 as the first step. Actually you can perhaps guess some associations based on the glyph itself: 0: smoke ring; 1:frog with roman numeral one; 2: twins in apple; 3: triangle on leaf; 6 and 9: right hand and left hand with 6 fingers - 6 and 9 are mirror images; 4: four modified petals on flower; 5: butterfly with five "fingers" in each wing; 8:design in sea horse; 7:horn?.--LabgoTalk|Contribs 18:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
- Only thing I can come-up with for moving the golden dot around the logo is that something good/positive occurred, or that bad/evil/negative things happened in that segment.
–DocH– my edits

If you group them in rows having 6-6-6-8 glyphs, respectively, it's easy to see how the substitution cypher was made:

  • The upper left corner (2x2) is the leaf
  • The remaining four from the first row - the apple.
  • The remaining four from the second row - the flower.
  • First pair from the third row - the seahorse.
  • Second pair from the third row - the butterfly.
  • Third pair from the third row - the frog.
  • The last eight are mirrors of each other (S-Z, T-Y, U-X, V-W).

So, here is my educated guess for the ones that haven't been introduced yet:

  • F - apple, yellow dot in the down-right corner
  • J - flower, yellow dot in upper-right corner.
  • M - seahorse, yellow dot on the left.
  • Q - frog, yellow dot on the left.
  • X - hand, the mirror image of U-glyph.
  • Z - hand, the mirror image of S-glyph.
--Steff 16:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

More Likely Mirrors
I think that most of the missing glyphs will actually be mirrors of others. The only glyphs so far that do not follow this pattern are the apples. The mirror pairs so far are:

  • A - B
  • G - H
  • K - L
  • O - P
  • S - U
  • T - Y
  • V - W

So, here is what I think:

  • J - Mirror of I. Evidence for this is that K and L are actually mirrors. Note that the position of the wing is in a different place as compared to the others. It makes more sense that J will be a mirror of I rather than just I with the dot moved.
  • M - Mirror of N. Evidence for this is that O and P are actually mirrors. Look very closely at the glyphs and you will see this.
  • Q - Mirror of R. Same reasoning as for M.
  • X - Hand the same as V but rotated to the right. This is a guess based on the pattern of the bottom row. Note that it cannot be the mirror of U as Steff guesses because the mirror of U is already used for the S.
  • Z - Mirror of X, whatever X ends up being.
--HazyMyst 18:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

- Switched J, M & Q. Added X & Z. Is this what you envision? –DocH– my edits 20:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes! Those look perfect. Great job on the hand. --HazyMyst 15:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Good call on the M update HMyst... hope we get the rest soon.. (this season?) –DocH– my edits 04:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 Contributions

I put down glyphs code for season 2 ep 1. yay! :D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ignachile (talk • contribs) .

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